For those of you who have R. Nachman or R. Yitzchak on your Fantasy Talmud Teams, this is a good daf for you. Dr. Hauptman would like this daf (and probably does) for its oh-so-clear structure of organization. We begin with a R. Nachman to R. Yitzchak statement on the subject of the Mishnah and end up having nearly a full daf's worth of material organized around these two sages. The structure is really only interrupted by the slight derivations from the issues these two sages are dealing with.
It is interesting also to note that in 6 of the 8 conversations (including the meal on 5b) R. Yitzchak quotes R. Yochanan in response to a question by R. Nachman. In only two does he really speak in his own voice: the discussion about how many evils the people committed on the bottom on 5a, and the discussion about how saying Rahav's name might affect someone on 5b. This might be an interesting study in humility, or at least in the being a talmid muvhak.
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Well, I actually want to comment on the last line before the 2nd mishnah. "kayvan She'hithil Shuv Ayno Mafsik" --we find some many times in out lives, in our liturgy etc..where once you begin something, you can still go back and fix it or correct it, or change it. Here, though once you begin mentioning rain, we continue to do so from that moment on. I think this is a very meaty statement, with a lot of opportunity for homiletical drash and response.
Moshe is on fire. Look at him go! It is an interesting idea that we stick with mention rain for a set amount of time, no matter what. And indeed, the halakah makes certain that we do, or else we have to go back and start again. What else, I wonder, falss under the catagory you are illuminating here? About what else do we say, "keyvan she;hithil, shuv ayno mafsik"?
Also, i chose to ignore the whole Nachman to Yitzhak statement b/c my father z"l died at age 52, and telling me it "wasn't the result of Karet b/c Shmuel died at that age" isn't really comforting. So you can imagine that I ran through R. Yochanan's next statement which is even more offensive.
and Ethan..why didn't you comment on the "mah inyan Givah, aytzel Ramah" --read this out of context, it's a great teachable moment on a hike in camp!
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